TUC Radio broadcast portions of an interview with science writer David Quammen, author of Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic. 

Quammen explores the ways in which viruses are embedded in the same systems of ecology and evolutionary biology that humans are, and how disruption of wild ecosystems can shake these viruses free. He also discusses how COVID-19 offers an opportunity to re-imagine our relationship with the natural world.

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